Subject: Re: ATTN:Idiots On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:23:40 -0500, James Anderson wrote: >On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:29:10 -0700, "Corwin of Amber" > wrote: > >> >>James Anderson wrote in message >>news:1vbcus0m1b3fub0536anhahl5ptfk77u9c@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:33:03 -0700, "Corwin of Amber" >>> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >James Anderson wrote in message >>> >news:3facus8j7i5uciqc3hnp0ic850e04qjfvp@4ax.com... >>> >> On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:47:29 -0700, "Corwin of Amber" >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Where has anyone said that anime or J-Pop or anything else is bad >>> >> because it's not American? I've never heard anyone say that, >>> >> especially not here. Most of us reach a conclusion based on what we >>> >> know, see, or hear, not where it's made. >>> > >>> >I agree with the last sentence but you obviously haven't been here long >>> >enough, or you wouldn't write the first two. >>> >>> You have no idea how long I've been here. >>> >>> How many people who post anywhere near regularly have been here longer >>> than me... Atma, Linda, Rob, Small Girl, Crisis, Astos (Dan), Cypher, >>> Unright, Gann0n. I'm sure there are a few more, but not many. I >>> predate JT and the Cables. >> >>I apologize then... you're right, I did have no idea. >> >>> >>> >Oh, and I never said that the >>> >"Good Music" I was talking about what J-Pop. >>> >>> It and techno are the only types of music that are discussed on here >>> with any regularity. And since techno is just as American as it is >>> anything else, it's obvious that JPop is the only thing you could have >>> been referring to. >> >>No, I was referring to good music in general... some Jpop and some techno >>(though very little) fits into this catergory, it's much more broad, though >>perhaps in this NG I suppose that's how it would be taken. > >Reading the posts over the last few months, the only music that has >been badmouthed is Metallica (over the Napster situation), J-Pop, and >"Who let the dogs out?" If you make posts that reflect what is >happening in the newsgroup but mean something else that you don't >specify, then you look like a jackass, plain and simple. > >>> >>> >> >>> >> Hell, Atma listens to (correct me if I'm wrong here) Bette Midler, >>> >> Richard Marx, etc. Americans (with the occasional Brit thrown in for >>> >> variety). And he fucking hates America. >>> > >>> >Er... like I said, he listens to crappy music and he doesn't like >>america.. >>> >how does that contradict my point? >>> >>> He listens to _AMERICAN_ music, and he's not a patriot. You said that >>> people who listen to American music are claiming to be patriotic by >>> buying American, and yet you overlook the simple fact that the >>> anti-patriot buys American. >>> >> >>He listens to crappy music which is also american, and he's not a patriot, >>correct so far. > >Crappy music _in your opinion_, moron. Get it through your skull that >your opinion does not make standards, never has, and never will. > >>I said that people who listen only to american music which >>is crappy (remember I said that to look with quality in mind is one of the >>things this country was founded on) > >Bullshit. This country was founded on the idea that all white men >were created equal, unless you were born here, which makes you >superior to Britain. > >And before you say anything about me being anti-american, anyone who >has actually studied the writings of people of the period and been >exposed to anything other than the lemmingesque methodology of >patriating children _knows_ that damn near everything we know about >the founding fathers is an outright lie. > >>aren't patriotic, although some of them >>may say they are. I never said that they actually all were patriotic, only >>that those who liked to think of themselves as such were wrong. You could >>also say that those who supported the vietnam war were "patriots" following >>your line of logic, even though the draft itself was a form of socialism. > >And by yours supporting Hitler would be patriotic because it's looking >for something 'superior.' Sorry, drawing parallels that don't make >sense isn't helping your case any. > >>> Furthermore, your assumption that the music he listens to is crappy is >>> every bit as elitist as the people you are calling idiots. Fuck off >>> before you hurt yourself. >> >>There are some genres of music which have inherently better music than >>others. Also there are some artists within each genre of music which are >>good and some which are bad. Obviously you wouldn't call me an elitist for >>buying a a computer over a typewriter. Yet you seem to think I'm an >>elitist. > >Saying that certain genres are 'inherently better' than others is the >definition of elitist. I prefer the music I listen to (oldies, >classic rock, and very little contemporary rock, along with the >occassional rap, country, or disco. No techno, no pop, no metal), but >that's my opinion, and I state it as such. You state your opinion as >fact, ignoring the blatantly obvious conclusion that you're just as >ignorant as they are. > >>> >> >>> >> In conclusion, don't assume that because someone doesn't like >>> >> something that it has anything to do with some elitist patriotic >>> >> bullshit, consider the possibility that they _just don't like it_. >>> > >>> >In the case of the people this is addressed to, yes it is elitist >>patriotic >>> >bullshit. You're wrong. You're own reason for hating may be other than >>> >that, but then, this message isn't ment for you. >>> >>> Then change the subject to ATTN: Fighting31st (McBane to the newbies), >>> because he's the only person on this newsgroup to ever claim to be a >>> patriot. >> >>You already mentioned above who it was i'm talking about, and i'm not >>talking about McBane, at least not specifically. > >Next time, don't point directly at everyone who dislikes anime or >whatever cultural crutches and tell them they're idiots. You look >like a moron, and it's obvious that you don't actually bother thinking >before you make a post. > >James Anderson >airhood@hotmail.com >AIM by request > >10 Cynical Bastard points, from Atma > >Opinions expressed are solely mine and do not necessarily reflect >those of the Illinois Institute of Technology, it's faculty, staff, >students, or alumni. it's bad enough that you have to defend the trolls, but insulting our regs is just disrespectful and annoying. leave our newsgroup, *now*